The NomadTogether Podcast

For Location Independent Families and those who aspire to be one

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Paul and Becky Kortman a location independent couple with 4 kids bring the insight and support needed for todays location independent nomads, families, couples, business owners and workers who travel as a lifestyle or are just considering it. Paul and Becky have traveled and lived the nomadic lifestyle both as a couple and after having 4 kids as a family. Becky writes for multiple blogs and homeschools the 4 Kortman kids. Paul is an entrepreneur who runs multiple location independent businesses. Listen for ways in which you too can become a location independent family.

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Jam-packed with uber leet info, so enlightening.  specifically, the advice regarding Charles Schwab ROCKED!!

I love how organized the episodes are, broken down into digestible chunks.

Thanks for all the great ideas…it will be really wonderful to get rid of years of old clothes and dusty stuff that’s never been used since we moved up here!

Janet Brien

I just finished listening to all of the NomadTogether podcasts and they have been a massive help in getting our adventure off the ground, it’s primarily thanks to Paul and Becky!   I can’t tell you how grateful I am to have found the NomadTogether podcast.  I am always talking about taking off somewhere but it wasn’t until I started quoting Paul and Becky and the other people on the podcasts that my husband actually began listening to me.  He needed some convincing that we wouldn’t be permanently damaging our kids and it was me quoting the NomadTogether Podcast for the last two months that finally got him to say yes!

Charleen Fariselli

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Many people think that living a nomad life is impossible with kids. It’s not! Paul and Rebekah have the experience and share what it actually takes to raise and educate children on the road. This will be one podcast I recommend people when they they think it can’t be done.

James Guz

Recent Episodes

Episode #61: The “Why” behind Location Independence with Jana and Craig Holland

Do you want to know more about location independent families? The you MUST listen to this episode where Paul invites Jana and Craig Holland.

At the end of 2010 The Hollands! recognized a huge disconnect in their marriage, family, spirituality, global footprint and finances. They were the typical middle class American family, working full-time, pursuing their musical passion, school committee’s and organizing neighborhood gatherings.

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Episode #60: Entrepreneurship and the Nomadic Lifestyle with Awilda Rivera

This week’s episode is especially for those who want to run a business, or who are running a business. Listen carefully as Paul invited Awilda Rivera. Awilda is a trusted, results oriented Success Coach, Spiritual Advisor and Yogi who has dedicated her life to helping others succeed. Whether you are an Entrepreneur or Career Professional, Awilda has the tools to assist you in making the progress you desire.

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Episode #59: Volunteering While Traveling with Ricky Shetty

On today’s episode Paul invited Ricky Shetty. Ricky is the owner and operator of Daddy Blogger, where he writes about parenting from a father’s perspective with a big emphasis on family travel with young kids. Currently, Ricky and his family are on a 1 year Round-The-World Trip visiting Asia, the Middle East, Africa, South America, and Central America.

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Episode #57: Becoming a Location Independent Midwife with Lerato Majikfaerie

On today’s episode, you will hear Paul talking with Lerato Majikfaerie about midwifery and natural birthing as a modern nomad. Lerato (LE-RRATO, Magic Farie) is a home birth midwife having practised remotely around South East Asia and a mother to a 13 year old daughter who was raised Unschooling and traveling around the world. Lerato is Very focused on natural living, and now based in Australia in the rainforest where they’re establishing an intentional community with a goal of creating a birthing house.

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Episode #56: Travel Blogging with Caz Makepeace of Y Travel Blog

This week’s episode focuses on travel blogging. Do you want to start a blog or are you already a blogger, but struggling what you can create out of your blog? Then listen to Paul and Caroline Makepeace, the co-founder of one of the world’s biggest travel blog and have been featured by notable brands such as Forbes, CNN, The Today Show, Virgin Australia, Expedia, and Lonely Planet and was one of the top digital travel influencers to be invited to the White House.

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Episode #54: Earning Location Independent Income through Real Estate with Paul Moore

On this week’s episode, Paul talks about earning Location Independent Income through Real Estate with Paul Moore. When Paul entered the real estate sector, he completed over 85 real estate investments and exits. He also appeared on an HGTV Special Real Estate episode, rehabbed and managed rental properties, built a number of new homes, developed a waterfront subdivision, and started two successful online real estate marketing firms. Three successful developments, including assisting with development of a Hyatt hotel and a multifamily housing project, led him into the multifamily investing arena.

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Episode #53: Making Location Independent Money through Web Development with Joe Kashurba

On today’s episode, Paul invited Joe Kashurba. Joe grew the freelance web design business that he started in high school into a digital agency with a virtual team and clients around the world. He went from building $300 websites to building $30,000 websites and managing 6-figure digital advertising budgets for some of the largest manufacturing and construction companies. Joe now advises and mentors other freelance web designers and digital agency owners on how to develop and scale their businesses.

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Episode #52: Revolutionizing Education through Worldschooling with Ashley Dymock

On today’s show, Paul talks with Ashley Dymock de Tello about revolutionizing education through Worldscooling. Ashley is originally from Utah, but has spent five of the past seven years living abroad. She currently lives in Mexico with her husband (who she met while doing research there) and their son. For the past year and a half Ashley has worked as the head writer and editor at Nomad Capitalist and she has just written her first book, “World Schooling: How to Revolutionize Education Through World Travel.”

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Episode #51: What it Means to be Independent with Paul & Becky!

On today’s show, Paul and Becky Kortman, founders of the NomadTogether Podcast grab the mic and bring the audience up to speed on what they’ve been doing and where they have been over the last two months. Finally, they chat through what it means to be independent. You might think this is insider baseball only meant for those who are location independent or who are digital nomads, or even for the friends of Paul and Becky, however, the message throughout this episode is that you too can do this!

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Episode #49: Exploring Unschooling with Pam Laricchia

On today’s show, Paul interviews Pam Laricchia to dig even further into the unschooling movement. Pam is a longtime unschooling mom from Ontario, Canada. Her three children left school 14 years ago. She loves writing about what she has learned through their experience, and has been published in a number of magazines. She has also written three books on the topic, and she regularly shares her experiences and stories on The Exploring Unschooling Podcast. Since there is no manual on how to do this, the wisdom and advice that parents like Pam share with us is crucial for those of us who are pursuing this new and exciting means of education.

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Episode #48: The Secrets of Essentialism with Gen and Nick of The Great Anomaly

On today’s episode, you’ll hear from Gen and Nick, the co-creators of The Great Anomaly, a blog and podcast where they share their journey as “couplepreneurs”, digital nomads, and owners of three online businesses. This conversation focuses on a concept called essentialism, which is similar to minamalism in a lot of ways. Stay tuned to find out the difference between the two and see how this mindset impacts your family, your travels, your business, and just about everything else in your life.

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Episode #47: Slow Travel Philosophies with Jessica Sueiro of World Towning

On this week’s show, we’ve invited Jessica Sueiro from Goodie Goodie Gumdrop and on to the program. The Sueiros are a family of four who are slow traveling around the world, and they are currently spending a year in Southern France. They are worldschoolers, digital nomads, dream chasers, minamilists, and much, much more. Their goal is to inspire other families to slow travel, learn through the world and live a life authentic to their desires.

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Episode #46: Long-Term Nomadic Life with Harris Fellman of

After a short hiatus, we have returned this week to share an interview with Harris Fellman, who created with his wife Andrea. They both own and run online businesses, which allow them to work from anywhere in the world. The Fellmans have two children, 10 and twelve years old, and they have chosen to live a nomadic lifestyle a little bit differently than most. They prefer to live in the places that they travel to for a few years at a time. If you like the sound of traveling the world and living in a place for the long-term, stay tuned because this episode is for you.

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Episode #45: The Kortmans Travel to the Lone Star State

This week’s episode is a special audio update on our family. We just wanted to reach out to our audience and fill you in on what has happened since our most recent Visa Run to Texas. Listen in as we explain the process that we went through in attempting to establish permanent residency in Mexico. If you are considering applying for residency, this is one podcast you don’t want to miss.

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Episode #39: A Dad’s Perspective on Babywearing with Danny the Babywearing Dad

This is the third and final installment in our three part series on Babywearing. On this episode, you’re finally going to hear the dad’s perspective, as Becky is speaking with Danny “The Babywearing Dad” LeBron. Danny has a passion for supporting and bringing awareness to women’s rights, especially regarding breastfeeding and body autonomy.

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Episode #36: The Blueprint to Location Independent Money with Avery Breyer

Today’s podcast is the second in our two-part series about money. On this episode, we’ll be speaking with Avery Breyer, the multiple-time bestselling author of the Smart Money Blueprint Series. Avery has been featured on live radio, along with many national publications. We talk with Avery about redesigning your life from the ground up, building online income streams, and living the digital nomad lifestyle with a family. If you want to know how to make money online, listen to this show.

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Episode #35: A Radical Approach to Finance with Joshua Sheats of Radical Personal Finance

Today’s podcast is the first of a two-part series about something that we all love, hate, need, want, and spend way too much time thinking about: money. In this first episode, we’re speaking with Joshua Sheats from You’ll hear Joshua talk about ways that you can save more, ways that you can spend less, and whether home ownership is really worth it. The financial tips that Joshua shares in this episode are fantastic and can apply to anyone who is listening, not just the nomads.

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Episode #34: 12 Years of Nomadic Life with Michelle Tupy

On this week’s episode, you’ll be hearing from Michelle Tupy of and Michelle and her husband have been living a nomadic lifestyle since they were married twelve years ago. Over those twelve years, they have brought two lovely children into the world, and they have not stayed in one place for more than a year. It’s rare that we get to talk to a family with multiple children who has been doing this for so long, so we are very excited to share their story.

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Episode #32: The Challenges of Affiliate Marketing with Kimberly and Joe of Young Fulltimers

On this week’s episode, we’re speaking with Kimberly and Joe of Young Fulltimers. Kimberly and Joe began their journey the day after they were married, and they soon found out that it was harder to earn money on the road than they anticipated. One of the major ways that digital nomads earn money is through affiliate marketing, travel blogging and the writing industry in general. You’ll hear Kimberly and Joe talk all about the challenges of affiliate marketing and why it might not be right for everyone.

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Episode #31: Understanding Unschooling with Cassandra Vore

Today’s episode is going to be a little bit out of the ordinary. On this week’s show, you’re going to hear Becky speak with her good friend Cassandra Vore about a topic that both of them are very passionate about: radical unschooling. This a topic that can generate a lot of fear and confusion, so we’re hoping that this episode will clear a lot of things up for parents who are exploring these alternative schooling methods and teach those of you out there that are considering this that you can do things differently.

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Episode #30: A Crazy Family Adventure with Craig and Bryanna Royal

Today’s episode features an interview with a really crazy family. No, really. Craig and Bryanna Royal run a website called Craig and Bryanna are parents to 4 young kids and 2 big dogs who sold their home and most of their possessions to travel full-time in an RV. On this week’s episode, you’ll hear the Royals talk all about what it means to live a “crazy family lifestyle”. They’ll also discuss freedom and flexibility, and how those two things are not necessarily one and the same.

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Episode #29: Sage Wisdom on Location Independence with Brandon Pearce

On this week’s podcast we are speaking with Brandon Pearce of We affectionately refer to Brandon as the “Sage” of location independent families. If you only listen to one interview on this podcast, this should be the one. Brandon has all kinds of practical advice on what it takes to become a location independent family, and how to truly cultivate happiness that lasts.

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Episode #27: How to Be a Nomadic Stay-at-Home Dad with Doug Duvall

On today’s show, we are speaking with Doug Duvall. We met Doug and his wife Marcy while we were camping in La Paz, Mexico and we thought they had one of the most unique location-independent situations we have encountered yet. Doug is a stay-at-home-dad, while Marcy is the main breadwinner in the family. The Duvall’s story is proof that you don’t need to follow the traditional western script in order to be a successful location-independent family.

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Episode #26: Everything You Need to Know About Gap Year Travel with Mike Cooney

On today’s podcast, you’re going to be hearing from Mike Cooney of Six years ago, Mike and his wife Catrell sold nearly everything they owned to take their three teenage sons on an adventure around the world. They wanted their sons to see the world and have a hands-on immersion education before heading off to college. This idea of taking a “Gap Year” to travel before beginning higher education isn’t new, but the Cooneys decision to do so as a family is a very unique and exciting way to do it.

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Episode #25: A Unique Blend of Interviews on How to Live Outside the Box

This week’s episode is a little different for us, as we are going to be sharing two different interviews with digital nomads who have taken outside the box approaches to making money and living a nomadic lifestyle. First, you’ll be hearing from Reinder de Vries and his partner Geerjte, who will talk about their website, a resource for people who are aspiring to develop their own apps (which can be a great source of location-independent income). After that, you will hear from Marcela Fernandez, who will be talking about how she is using the techniques she has learned while operating her educational tour service, OnBoard to build a learning community for nomadic families.

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Episode #24: Secrets to Passion and Success with Jeremy Vore

On this week’s podcast, you’ll be hearing an interview with one of our good friends, Jeremy Vore from We were blessed to visit the Vores at their homestead in Michigan last year. Jeremy is somewhat of a Jack-of-all-trades, with experience as a sea kayak instructor, photographer and a pilot, as well as holding corporate career paths in aviation, health care and more. He currently has transitioned to a location-independent source of income as a voice over talent. On this week’s episode, you’ll hear Jeremy talk about what it takes to build a lifestyle around passion and how to build success.

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Episode #23: The Challenges of Returning Home with Sharon Gourlay

On this week’s episode, we’re speaking with Sharon Gourlay from Sharon and her family left their home in Melbourne, Australia in 2014 with the dream of a better lifestyle. Since then, they have built a successful travel blog and a series of other sites while visiting many countries in Asia and Europe with their preschoolers. They recently decided to return back home, which is something that a lot of digital nomads consider during their travels. You’ll hear how the Gourlays managed to build a successful location-independent business on the road, and how they were able to face the challenges of settling into life back home.

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Episode #22: The Kortman Family Culture Part 2

This week’s episode is the second of a two part series all about our day to day lives as a family of digital nomads. On this part of the series, we get a lot more candid about our personal lives as parents. We’ll be answering some more listener questions about how we are able to nurture our relationship and keep our batteries recharged. We’ll also share some stories about what it is like to maintain an intimate relationship while living on the road. These are some of the questions our listeners ask us the most, but don’t worry, we keep the answers “family friendly”.

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Episode #21: The Kortman Family Culture Part 1

This week’s episode is the first of a two part series all about our day to day lives as a family of digital nomads. What is it like to travel with children on the road, and how do we cultivate the kind of culture that we want for our family? A lot of these decisions are intentional, but sometimes these things can happen by accident. We’ll be sharing all of the routines, experiences and traditions that have made the Kortmans who we are today. This episode is all about how to live each day as a nomadic family.

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Episode #20: Becoming an RV Entrepreneur with Heath Padgett

On this week’s episode, you will be hearing from Heath Padgett of the RV Entrepreneur Podcast. After Heath and his wife Alyssa got married, they decided to buy an RV, and honeymoon by traveling all 50 states in the US. Eventually, they decided that they wanted to live on the road full time, and they set out to see if they could work a job in each state as they traveled. They even created a documentary following their exploits. We talked to Heath about his family adventures, and how he has been able to create a source of location-independent revenue to support his lifestyle.

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Episode #19: From Alaska to Mexico with Saskia Esslinger

This week’s episode features a unique interview with Saskia Esslinger. We met Saskia, her husband Matt and their two boys when we were living in Cabo Pulmo in Baja California. They are originally from Alaska and they traveled to Mexico in a small tow-behind RV. Like us, they are new to this lifestyle, and they are learning what it is like to become location-independent. Join us this week as we chat with Saskia about the ins and outs of parenting and living on the road.

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Episode #18: How to Face Your Naysayers

After a brief hiatus, we have returned to the podcast. What happened during those few months? Well, to be honest, we have had struggled through some negative feedback and discouraging times. We thought it would be fitting to return with an episode that talks about one of the most difficult things that location-independent families face during their travels: naysayers. We’re going to be talking about how to face the people who don’t understand us and hate on the lifestyle that we love.

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Episode #17: Can Teenagers Benefit from a Nomadic Lifestyle?

On today’s podcast, we are speaking with Mike Boyink from Ditching Suburbia. The Boyinks have been on the road for over five years, and they have been raising two teenagers along the way. A location-independent lifestyle means taking teenagers away from their friends and outside of their comfort zone, so you can expect that some problems may occur. We have young children, and for some of them this is the only lifestyle they remember, so we are really curious and excited to find out how this lifestyle can work for parents of teenagers.

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Episode #16: 10 Ways You Can Create Location Independent Revenue

Today I’m going to be talking about how you can start to make your own location independent money. This is what fuels your dreams, the ability to earn money without having to go into an office or punch a clock. I’ll be sharing ten ways you can turn your expertise and your experience into legitimate location independent income. This is the key to creating a digital nomadic life. I’ll be talking about a number of different ways that you can start earning location independent money today.

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Episode #15: Family Life in a Caravan with Ryel Kestano

On this week’s podcast, we are talking to Ryel Kestano, a fellow American who is living a nomadic lifestyle with his family. The Kestanos have four children and are RVing in Europe, or “Caravaning” as it is called over there. They have an incredible outlook on life and such a great story. Our family has learned a lot from the Kestanos, and we are already location independent. This is a very powerful interview that might just change your outlook on how to live your life of freedom.

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Episode #14: Growing Up as a Nomad with Andrea Watters

On this week’s podcast we’ve invited Andrea Watters on to the show. Andrea is an Aussie and her story is incredibly unique because she traveled the world as a child. She is going to be sharing what life is like as an adult after traveling the world in her younger years. We know there are a lot of parents out there who wonder how the nomadic lifestyle will impact their children as they get older. Andrea talks us through a lot of those concerns and helps us see some of the real-world benefits that our kids will see for the rest of their lives.

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Episode #13: Planning for Your Fact-Finding Journey with Anthony Fasano

On this week’s podcast, we are going to be speaking with Anthony Fasano. Like most of our listeners, Anthony is in the stage where he is actually planning his first trip as a digital nomad. This is going to be a really informative episode for people who are trying to transition to location-independence, as Anthony is going to be talking about how he turned his career as an engineer into a location-independent business. The Fasano family’s story is also unique in that they haven’t really decided on becoming full-time digital nomads just yet, but their first foray into this lifestyle might just change their minds.

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Episode #12: Building a Business and Living Out of a Suitcase with Natalie Sisson

On this week’s episode, we have invited Natalie Sisson on to the show. Natalie is a number one bestselling author, podcaster, speaker and adventurer. She believes everyone has the right to choose freedom in business and adventure. Natalie was born in New Zealand and built her multiple six figure business from her laptop over the last five years. She has been living out of her suitcase, and has traveled to 70 countries while showing others how to build profitable online businesses via her website

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Episode #11: Transitioning into Location Independence with Zane and Gretchen DeVault

On today’s podcast, I am speaking with Zane and Gretchen DeVault. The DeVaults are a pair of musicians with twin children, who have recently completed a their first location-independent fact-finding trip to Los Angeles. They have returned home to Michigan and are in the process of selling their belongings with the intention of traveling across North America. Listen in to hear how their lives have been challenged and changed. Their story is a fantastic example of how anyone can transition into the Digital Nomadic lifestyle.

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Episode #10: Starting a Business and a Family with Dan of Startup With Kids

Today I am speaking with Dan of Startup with Kids, a podcast all about helping families start and grow businesses while being parents. Dan and his wife have three businesses and are expecting their first child. Like many of our listeners, they are not yet location independent, but they are moving in that direction. Dan was also homeschooled and talks really frankly about his education and home situation growing up. I actually pushed Dan pretty hard by playing the Devil’s advocate on this episode. Stick around to see how he handles the pressure and how we can all learn from his story.

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Episode #9: Ethical Hiring Practices for Digital Nomads with Ross and Mel Townson of FairMarketeers

On today’s podcast I am going to be speaking with Ross and Mel Townson of FairMarketeers, a website that focuses on helping businesses be ethical in their hiring practices. It’s a much different perspective than most of us who own businesses have about hiring. Today’s interview will help you see how one couple can travel the world while running a business together and selling other businesses. In fact, they sold their most recent business just ten days before recording this podcast. This episode will touch on what it took for them to transition into location independence and what we can do as entrepreneurs to be more ethical in our hiring practices.

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Episode #8: Living Full-Time in an RV with Kimberly Travaglino of Fulltime Families

On today’s episode, I’m going to be speaking with Kimberly Travaglino of Fulltime Families, a community of almost 1000 Full-Time RVing families. If that number seems surprising, just wait until she tells you how many full-time families in her community are in the United States or how many there are in the world. Not all of these families are location independent, but today’s show will really explain a lot about how other families are full-timing it across the United States in an RV. Kimberly is also going to be giving away some prizes so be sure listen to the entire episode to find out how you could get your hands on some free stuff.

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Episode #7: Answering Questions from Our Listeners

On this week’s episode, we are going to be responding to a bunch of questions that were submitted by our listeners. We’ll be touching on a broad range of topics, including how we do family differently, and why we love to live with less. We’ll also be talking about how we were able to shut down our old lives, how we handle our mail forwarding, and why communication with your partner is of the utmost importance when you are transitioning into a location-independent lifestyle.

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Episode #6: Eighteen Tips for Downsizing Your Life

Living a nomadic life means that you can’t take everything with you when you leave. Today we’re going to talk about downsizing your life and living off of less. This week’s episode is all about helping you choose what you can keep and what you can live without. We put together a list of tricks for downsizing your belongings, and we’ve broken them down into 18 unique categories. Even if you aren’t location-independent, these tips are valuable to anyone who is looking to simplify their life.

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Episode #5: A Comprehensive Guide to Banking for Digital Nomads

Today we are going to talk about banking and how it can help you live a life of freedom. For most of us that are living the Western script, banking is a simple, everyday part of our lives. For digital nomads it can become a lot more complicated. We’ll be talking about some financial lessons that we learned during our travels, and how you can avoid making the same mistakes. We’ll also be sharing what we believe are the top four banks worldwide for location-independent families, so you can choose the bank that is right for you.

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Episode #4: Five Options for Educating Your Children in a Location-Independent Environment

This episode is going to be all about education, kids, and how to live a life of freedom. We are going to work through the five different options you have for educating your children while living a nomadic lifestyle. There are so many options for schooling your children today that there is really no reason that education should stop your family from becoming location independent. We will likely be diving into each of these methods a little more in future episodes, but this is a great introductory episode for parents who are getting ready to make the leap into location independence.

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Episode #3: Four Ways That You Can Help Your Children Overcome Jet Lag

Today we are going to talk about one of the biggest challenges of traveling in general, but specifically with children: Jet Lag. Traveling with kids is tough enough as it is, especially when you are dealing with your own sleep patterns. We had no idea how difficult this was going to be until we experienced it. Because there is so little information about traveling overseas with children available on the internet, this episode is a must-listen for anyone who is planning on making that kind of a journey in the near future. In this episode, we are going to share four techniques for helping your children overcome Jet Lag.

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Episode #2: Six Techniques for Helping Third Culture Kids Say Goodbye

On today’s episode, we are going to be talking about one of the greatest challenges of raising Third Culture Kids: saying goodbye. As digital nomads, traveling with our family means that we are often faced with having to say tough goodbyes to our loved ones back home, or the friends and people we meet in our travels. This can be especially difficult for young children. In this episode we are going to share six techniques that you can use to encourage your children to say goodbye well. The tips we share in this episode will help you ease your children through these difficult partings.

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Episode #1: About Your Hosts, The Kortmans

Welcome to the very first episode of the NomadTogether Podcast! We are Paul and Rebekah Kortman, and along with our four children, we are a family of digital nomads. We believe that location independence as a family is possible for everyone. Along our travels, we have met families all around the world who have embraced this lifestyle. This episode will serve as an introduction to our journey. We’ll be talking about what got us started in this direction, why we believe in living without owning, and how the digital nomad lifestyle has changed our lives. This podcast is all about where we have been, where we are headed, and our views on the American script.

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